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		<title>By: JoePepitone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree.  It was pretty funny and entirely on point.  I&#039;ve been trying to look for a good occasion to borrow it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  It was pretty funny and entirely on point.  I&#8217;ve been trying to look for a good occasion to borrow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral63</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Admiral63]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cannibal reference is more than a bit over the top.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannibal reference is more than a bit over the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 18:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah, this said basically what I meant, but more efficiently. Nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, this said basically what I meant, but more efficiently. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 18:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy oh boy, if Rondon is a 3rd-tier closer, how many tiers are there? 12?

If we&#039;re cherry-picking save % as the only way to pick closers -- and only this first half of the season&#039;s save % -- especially considering a closer who has had oddly few save chances relative to his team&#039;s success (hence the &quot;f-the-closer&quot; game the team enjoyed playing), here is a quick glance at a few closers &quot;better&quot; than Rondon:

J. Gomez, F. Rodriguez, Dyson, Casilla, Papelbon, Ziegler, Robertson

All of whom have ERAs &amp; K/9 worse than Rondon (except Casilla, who beats Rondon by .1 K/9). 

Does Chapman help the bullpen? Absolutely! Mike Trout would also help the outfield.

Ken&#039;s argument doesn&#039;t seem to be that Aroldis Chapman doesn&#039;t make this bullpen better, it seems to be that the Cubs gave up a lot (in a couple ways) relative to what they &quot;needed.&quot; And it does seem like late-Theo Red Sox. I guess we can debate what &quot;need&quot; means, but with the clear definition of &quot;fact&quot; as you have posted above, it seems that saying the Cubs DID need Chapman also falls well short of the vaunted fact status.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy oh boy, if Rondon is a 3rd-tier closer, how many tiers are there? 12?</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re cherry-picking save % as the only way to pick closers &#8212; and only this first half of the season&#8217;s save % &#8212; especially considering a closer who has had oddly few save chances relative to his team&#8217;s success (hence the &#8220;f-the-closer&#8221; game the team enjoyed playing), here is a quick glance at a few closers &#8220;better&#8221; than Rondon:</p>
<p>J. Gomez, F. Rodriguez, Dyson, Casilla, Papelbon, Ziegler, Robertson</p>
<p>All of whom have ERAs &amp; K/9 worse than Rondon (except Casilla, who beats Rondon by .1 K/9). </p>
<p>Does Chapman help the bullpen? Absolutely! Mike Trout would also help the outfield.</p>
<p>Ken&#8217;s argument doesn&#8217;t seem to be that Aroldis Chapman doesn&#8217;t make this bullpen better, it seems to be that the Cubs gave up a lot (in a couple ways) relative to what they &#8220;needed.&#8221; And it does seem like late-Theo Red Sox. I guess we can debate what &#8220;need&#8221; means, but with the clear definition of &#8220;fact&#8221; as you have posted above, it seems that saying the Cubs DID need Chapman also falls well short of the vaunted fact status.</p>
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		<title>By: victor19nyc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[victor19nyc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 17:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you missed the point. Epstein got a little crazy and went off script. His normal measured approach with the Cubs could have produced a &quot;closer&quot; in some other shrewd way but he decided to make the big deal for Chapman.

But to your argument, the bullpen definitely needed help. I don&#039;t know that either Chapman or Miller were necessary to accomplish the goal since they likely would have won the division anyway, but looking ahead to the playoffs I hope Chapman is on the mound during late inning/high leverage situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed the point. Epstein got a little crazy and went off script. His normal measured approach with the Cubs could have produced a &#8220;closer&#8221; in some other shrewd way but he decided to make the big deal for Chapman.</p>
<p>But to your argument, the bullpen definitely needed help. I don&#8217;t know that either Chapman or Miller were necessary to accomplish the goal since they likely would have won the division anyway, but looking ahead to the playoffs I hope Chapman is on the mound during late inning/high leverage situations.</p>
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		<title>By: CHI SportsFan (@TheCHISportsFan)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Fact is, the Cubs had no real need for a closer, &quot;

fact (fakt/)  noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
    a thing that is indisputably the case.

Sorry, that&#039;s not a fact.  Coming into the deadline both Strop and Rondon had shown quite a bit of inconsistency.   Rondon had 4 blown saves good for only an 81% success rate - ranking in dead middle of all relievers.  not exactly a comforting thought for an NLCS against Mets pitching.

By most rankings, Rondon was a tier 3 closer maybe fortunate enough to rank #13 in MLB but certainly no Familia or Chapman.   And Strops inconsistency last night helps to understand why Cubs relievers ranked 10th in the National League by WAR at -1.2.

Even by the eye test, no serious observer can conclude the Cubs were &quot;set&quot; with relievers.  Seriously, I was having Marmol flashbacks everytime Rondon came out in July.

Let&#039;s put an end to the BS that we didn&#039;t &quot;need&quot; Chapman or Miller.  We did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fact is, the Cubs had no real need for a closer, &#8221;</p>
<p>fact (fakt/)  noun<br />
noun: fact; plural noun: facts<br />
    a thing that is indisputably the case.</p>
<p>Sorry, that&#8217;s not a fact.  Coming into the deadline both Strop and Rondon had shown quite a bit of inconsistency.   Rondon had 4 blown saves good for only an 81% success rate &#8211; ranking in dead middle of all relievers.  not exactly a comforting thought for an NLCS against Mets pitching.</p>
<p>By most rankings, Rondon was a tier 3 closer maybe fortunate enough to rank #13 in MLB but certainly no Familia or Chapman.   And Strops inconsistency last night helps to understand why Cubs relievers ranked 10th in the National League by WAR at -1.2.</p>
<p>Even by the eye test, no serious observer can conclude the Cubs were &#8220;set&#8221; with relievers.  Seriously, I was having Marmol flashbacks everytime Rondon came out in July.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put an end to the BS that we didn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; Chapman or Miller.  We did.</p>
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		<title>By: victor19nyc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[victor19nyc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Epstein has made few truly &quot;bad&quot; decisions while with the Cubs (Edwin Jackson, yes). Putting Chapman&#039;s personal issues aside, I don&#039;t think this was a &quot;bad&quot; decision either. Statistically it looks like improving the bullpen at the margins but you need impact players to win in impact situations.

What&#039;s more troubling to me is the recent statement that Chapman is not comfortable getting four outs (or something to that effect). Is it four outs or wanting to close? If Bryce Harper comes up with 2 outs in the 8th inning of game 7 NLCS is Maddon not going to go with Chapman because he&#039;s &quot;not comfortable?&quot;  If you sell your soul to &quot;the monster&quot; you better play with the hand you dealt yourself.

That all said, the anti-Monster move would have been to use Torres as part of a package to pry Sale from the White Sox. That would have setup the Cubs for the next several years as well as provided some protection if they can&#039;t sign Arietta beyond 2017. But of course, in order to succeed winning multiple WS championships you have to get past winning the first one. There&#039;s a big chip riding on 2016.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epstein has made few truly &#8220;bad&#8221; decisions while with the Cubs (Edwin Jackson, yes). Putting Chapman&#8217;s personal issues aside, I don&#8217;t think this was a &#8220;bad&#8221; decision either. Statistically it looks like improving the bullpen at the margins but you need impact players to win in impact situations.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more troubling to me is the recent statement that Chapman is not comfortable getting four outs (or something to that effect). Is it four outs or wanting to close? If Bryce Harper comes up with 2 outs in the 8th inning of game 7 NLCS is Maddon not going to go with Chapman because he&#8217;s &#8220;not comfortable?&#8221;  If you sell your soul to &#8220;the monster&#8221; you better play with the hand you dealt yourself.</p>
<p>That all said, the anti-Monster move would have been to use Torres as part of a package to pry Sale from the White Sox. That would have setup the Cubs for the next several years as well as provided some protection if they can&#8217;t sign Arietta beyond 2017. But of course, in order to succeed winning multiple WS championships you have to get past winning the first one. There&#8217;s a big chip riding on 2016.</p>
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